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Black Kenpachi · Nov 14, 2007, 02:40 AM // 02:40

How would this work in PvE:

Strength 8+1 Rune
Swordsmanship 12+1+1 Rune and Helmet
Tactics 10+1 Rune

[skill]Galrath Slash[/skill][skill]Dragon Slash[/skill][skill]Sun and Moon Slash[/skill][skill]Tiger Stance[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]"Watch Yourself!"[/skill][skill]Healing Signet[/skill][skill]Resurrect[/skill]

Savio · Nov 14, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

Drop Dolyak Signet.
Drop Resurrect.
Drop either WY or healsig.

Drop Tiger Stance, bring Flail.

Bring Save Yourselves!
Bring For Great Justice!

Fluffy Butt · Nov 14, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

For a "PvE" build, I see nothing wrong with it. It looks like it would work just fine. If it was PvP, I would go with Savio. But this looks good. If your having to spend money for skills then don't.

Savio · Nov 14, 2007, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Butt

If it was PvP, I would go with Savio.

Unfortunately, SY is not usable in PvP unless you're Izzy.

Also, I'm not sure what campaigns the OP has, so I can't suggest more skills.

el_mansour · Nov 15, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by Savio

Unfortunately, SY is not usable in PvP unless you're Izzy.

Also, I'm not sure what campaigns the OP has, so I can't suggest more skills.

Hi
Same question i want to use dragon slash for pve and i have all 4 games ,what other skills to use with ?

thank you very much

Nyktos · Nov 15, 2007, 12:35 AM // 00:35

Whirlwind Attack is really good with Dslash.

MBP · Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

another new combo to add to dslash builds is

[skill]steelfang slash[/skill] + brawling headbutt

so the bar would be like this

[skill]dragon slash[/skill]Brawling Headbutt[skill]steelfang slash[/skill][skill]"for great justice!"[/skill][skill]"watch yourself!"[/skill][skill]flail[/skill][skill]enraging charge[/skill][skill]lion's comfort[/skill]

Dr Strangelove · Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Dolyak sig is bad.

Flail is better than tiger stance if you have it.

Dolyak sig is bad.

You're probably fine with either WY! or healsig.

Dolyak sig is bad.

Savio · Nov 15, 2007, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Nyktos

Whirlwind Attack is really good with Dslash.

Not really, using Whirlwind Attack means you're Dslashing less. The only reasons to Dslash less are:
-Save Yourselves!
-Brawling Headbutt

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Originally Posted by el_mansour

Same question i want to use dragon slash for pve and i have all 4 games ,what other skills to use with ?

[wiki]Brawling Headbutt[/wiki]
[wiki]Steelfang Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]"Save Yourselves!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Flail[/wiki]
[wiki]Enduring Harmony[/wiki]
[wiki]"For Great Justice!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Signet of Return[/wiki]

Nyktos · Nov 15, 2007, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Savio

Not really, using Whirlwind Attack means you're Dslashing less.

Um...how? Hitting 3 enemies with one attack = Dslash more.

Also, I don't see how Save Yourselves is so good. You're a WARRIOR, you're supposed to be the one taking the hits. Giving everyone except the tank +100AL seems pretty ftl to me.

Savio · Nov 15, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Nyktos

Um...how? Hitting 3 enemies with one attack = Dslash more.

If FGJ is up, Dslash recharges itself.

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You're a WARRIOR, you're supposed to be the one taking the hits. Giving everyone except the tank +100AL seems pretty ftl to me.

Giving everyone else +100 AL means the AI focuses more on you, the less-armored target. It also means everyone is taking less damage, so the monks can focus on you more. Everyone wins.

Also, tanking is stupid.

Nyktos · Nov 15, 2007, 02:37 AM // 02:37

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Originally Posted by Savio

If FGJ is up, Dslash recharges itself.

Without Harmony you can keep it up less than half the time. With Harmony you're locked into /P and have to use up a precious skillslot.

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Giving everyone else +100 AL means the AI focuses more on you, the less-armored target. It also means everyone is taking less damage, so the monks can focus on you more. Everyone wins.

I concede this point. I always forget that feature of the AI.

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Also, tanking is stupid.

I fully agree that playing "pure tank" is stupid. You still want enemies to focus on the Warriors though.

Dark Paladin X · Nov 15, 2007, 03:08 AM // 03:08

You can my Dragon Slash build

Just replace remedy signet with a rez signet or such.

Savio · Nov 15, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

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Originally Posted by Nyktos

Without Harmony you can keep it up less than half the time. With Harmony you're locked into /P and have to use up a precious skillslot.

Harmony = more Dslash = more SY. More SY is good, unless you already have someone else bringing SY, in which case you go /E with Conjure.

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I fully agree that playing "pure tank" is stupid. You still want enemies to focus on the Warriors though.

There isn't a whole lot you can do about that, aside from SY and a bit of placement.

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

You can my Dragon Slash build

That's silly... only 10 in swordsmanship.

el_mansour · Nov 15, 2007, 05:12 AM // 05:12

[wiki]Brawling Headbutt[/wiki]
[wiki]Steelfang Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]Dragon Slash[/wiki]
[wiki]"Save Yourselves!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Flail[/wiki]
[wiki]Enduring Harmony[/wiki]
[wiki]"For Great Justice!"[/wiki]
[wiki]Signet of Return[/wiki][/QUOTE]

Hi
So this build ids for w/p about if it was w/monk?
and skills attributes and runes if u dont mind.

thank you again

Qdq Swi · Nov 15, 2007, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Why would you want steelfang in a ds build? Galraths/ Silverwing deals higher damage, and when you use ds why would you need the +4 adren from steelfang?

Btw @ Mansour, attribs for normal ds build would be max swordsmanship (+1 helm +3 sup rune) Maybe +1 tactics rune and +1 str rune... Best available vigor rune, on other peices.. absorption maybe? Insignia-wise survivor to offset the -75hp from super rune... 8 in tactics with +1 to reap full benefits from a tactics sheild and same for the +1 str... 12 in swords, 8 in tacs +rune and rest in strength.

My build which is just War is something like this :

"For Great Justice!"
Enraging Charge (Works well in sync with Fgj for nice adren gain)
Flail
Brawling Headbutt (continual KD, keep foes on their asses at all time!) Especially those ele/ monk bosses

Sun and Moon Strike
Dragon Slash
Optional/ "Save Yourselves!"/ "Watch Yourselves!"
Optional

for the optionals take a hard rez for pve since your w/mo and SY works well for the other optional. Take a self-heal if you dont trust your monks. Ive always used Lions, but its come to my attention that perhaps Healing Sig is better as you dont lose adren that way

.

Savio · Nov 15, 2007, 03:26 PM // 15:26

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Why would you want steelfang in a ds build?

It lets you chain Brawling Headbutt and Dragon Slash when FGJ is down.

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Originally Posted by el_mansour

So this build ids for w/p about if it was w/monk?

Why do you want to run /Mo? If you don't use /P, /E and Conjure is the next best secondary.

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Originally Posted by Qdq Swi

Btw @ Mansour, attribs for normal ds build would be max swordsmanship (+1 helm +3 sup rune) Maybe +1 tactics rune and +1 str rune... Best available vigor rune, on other peices.. absorption maybe? Insignia-wise survivor to offset the -75hp from super rune... 8 in tactics with +1 to reap full benefits from a tactics sheild and same for the +1 str... 12 in swords, 8 in tacs +rune and rest in strength.

Superior isn't really necessary, and it's possible to spec 9 in both Strength and Tactics without runes. You don't need Tactics unless you insist upon healsig and/or a Tactics Shield.

Qdq Swi · Nov 15, 2007, 03:42 PM // 15:42

your right, steelfang.. will get it

, Mansour has /Mo just giving an example, if he wants to change he can... just aint askin no questions

. And yeah sup and runes for tac/ str arent necesary.. but they sure do help. What other runes would you put on your armor for utility?

Btw, what are your attribs while W/P? Same attribs, Im not sure but I wouldv thought so, shame leadership is para prime lol... Maybe less in tactics though and more in Str.. Just I cant find a Q9 Str gothic defender so I have to use tacs lol :s....

Savio · Nov 15, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

14 Swords, 13 Strength. I don't bring Heal Sig as I have monks, and speccing 9 for just a Tactics shield is pointless when I could bring a Strength shield.

Minor Swords, Superior Vigor, Minor Strength/Vitae, Rune of Clarity/Vitae, Superior Absorption/Vitae. All you need is Swords and Vigor, the rest is unimportant so more health is a plus.

Qdq Swi · Nov 15, 2007, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by Savio

14 Swords, 13 Strength. I don't bring Heal Sig as I have monks, and speccing 9 for just a Tactics shield is pointless when I could bring a Strength shield.

Minor Swords, Superior Vigor, Minor Strength/Vitae, Rune of Clarity/Vitae, Superior Absorption/Vitae. All you need is Swords and Vigor, the rest is unimportant so more health is a plus.

More health isnt a bonus if you want mobs attacking you (PvE not PvP) Rune of Clarity.. Shall be getting one of them

. 9 tac isnt pointless if you use WY or dont have a decent Str sheild.